|The Dave Brockie Experience|
|Written by Devon Bertsch|
|Saturday, 14 June 2008 14:13|
Interview written and conducted by Devon Bertsch on 08/15/2003 in Seattle at Studio 7
While they were on tour supporting Songs For The Wrong, I caught up with Dave Brockie and Michael Derks of DBX, GWAR, and X-Cops. I gave them copies of Trashfiend, the horror magazine I write for, and then we started. Dave didn't seem to be paying much attention at first, and then decided the best way to create an intimate interview setting would be to sit all the way across the room and yell in my direction.
Dave Brockie: All right, come on, hit me. Hit me. Hit me. Hit me.
DB: So this is going to have a horror slant to it, I suppose? (I think Dave thinks the interview is for Trashfiend at this point.)
Me: I could probably direct it that way, but I…
DB: Well, no just read the fucking the questions. We're good.
Me: All right, first one I have is how do you feel when people write off your artistic expression as toilet humor or mindless violence? Like say someone who notices you flayed Osama bin Laden and don't pay attention to why you're also flaying George Bush.
DB: I say they've hit the nail on the head, and I congratulate them on their perceptive qualities.
Me: In missing that you've flayed Bush as well?
DB: You know what, I don't really give a fuck what other people think about our art.
Me: You don't?
DB: It's like, I'm not going to sit here and explain it to them. If they get off on the mindless violence and the stupidity of it, and that's what they're…or if they're a critic who thinks that…If they're a critic and saying it's just that, then they are really betraying themselves as a fucking idiot first of all, because it's obviously so much deeper. But if that's all that they're really reacting to, I guess, I don't know…I'm sorry, what was the question, again? Derks, help me out with this one.
Michael Derks: He's pretty much got us pegged. Highbrow potty humor.
DB: Highbrow potty humor.
Me: That's your new label?
DB: We were gonna call a GWAR album that, actually.
Me: Highbrow potty humor?
DB: Yeah, it's just any critic who dismisses what we do as those things solely, even though we are those things definitely…
DB: There's a lot more to it. They're just not getting into it deeply enough, so...
Me: They're not paying attention.
DB: They're not paying attention. They're not perceptive. Or something.
Me: Do you have any "Stupid" reports that you haven't posted yet?
MD: Stupid things that you've done.
DB: What have I done on this tour that's been really stupid so far?
One of the girls in the room: What about the gnome?
MD: That wasn't stupid, that was an act of genius.
DB: I know there are some really stupid things I've done.
One of the girls: This interview.
Me: Besides this interview.
MD: Oh, oh, oh! I got one!
MD: In…where was it, Milwaukee, you got …that wasn't really stupid, that was physical.
DB: I got a good one. I got a good one. What was today?
MD: That was when…
DB: I got three already, I'm thinking of 'em left and right, now.
MD: All right, go ahead.
DB: First of all we're taking shots from the audience. I'm in Chicago. They're taking shots and they're giving me shots of Jägermeister on stage. I'm doing shots then playing the note. I'm already pretty drunk, then someone sticks up another shot of a clearish, brown liquid and I smell it. I know it's Tequila, but I do it anyway. It immediately makes me vomit all over my feet. For like three or four songs in a row, between every song it's like "Blaaaaaah." Played the whole set in a puddle of vomit. The other thing I did in Salt Lake City, I'm standing outside the club. Kottonmouth Kings are playing upstairs, some stupid pot rock band. But like all these hot chicks are showing up, right? So, this totally hot chick is walking by, she's just smoking, and I'm standing there like…and like she walks by and she actually says "Hi." And so I looked at her, and I'm like, I just say the word "Night." You know, I'm like trying to say "It's a nice night" or "Have a nice evening" but it just comes out as "Night." Then I turn around and go "Oh, my God." And I sit down and she just looked at me and leaves. What was that one that you did?
MD: I didn't do it, you did.
DB: You did a fucking incredibly stupid thing and you're not admitting it.
DB: Got in a van with me for 10,000 miles.
MD: Oh, yeah. How about when you shit your pants in the men's room and threw them out in the bathroom, then had the audience…
DB: That wasn't stupid, that was just disgusting.
MD: Well, the stupid part was telling the people in the crowd …
DB: I didn't shit my pants, all right?
MD: You told the people in the crowd that you'd thrown your underwear away in the men's bathroom and to go get the trashcan. So they brought the trashcan up to the stage, and you fished out your soiled underwear and threw them up into the ceiling fan.
DB: I had to dig through like five layers of like other people's garbage before I found my underwear in the bottom of the trashcan.
MD: Flung 'em up into the ceiling fan, threw it…
DB: Then it got caught in the ceiling fan and it was going round and round with like this big turd stain on it.
Me: So DBX has gone into the projectile art…
DB: Thanks, Mike. Thanks for that, buddy.
MD: No problem.
DB: Hey, that wasn't true. People on the road made that up.
Me: Given DBX's original logo, I'm thinking you're a fan of the Dead Kennedys. What're your thoughts over the debate over their song rights that's going on right now?
DB: What, all the legal struggles they're having?
DB: It's pathetic. I don't understand all the…
MD: Wasn't it basically that all the rest of the band wants to like sell their songs out to commercials?
MD: Have like The Gap and Holiday Inn have songs about Cambodia and Jello's against it?
DB: But Jello for years horded all the money. And every time he came to tour, he's driving around in a Firebird, you know? They all say, "You ripped us off so we want to make money off The Gap!" All I know is every time I went to San Francisco, Jello had a new sports car. Every fucking time. And he's got a big house out in Eukya. So, it's like he got money from somewhere. So, maybe he did rip 'em off. Who knows? We'll never know. And we'll never care, it's just like let them fight it out. What's important about the Dead Kennedys is that they existed and they made fucking killer music. Fuck the court shit, I don't give a damn. I thought it was fucking pathetic, though, when The Dead Kennedys went out without Jello as their singer.
Me: What, with Brandon (Dr. Know) Cruz?
DB: I thought that was fucking pathetic.
Me: And they flyered it like it was Jello, so everybody thought that he was there (Actually, it wasn't flyers, it was promo band photos. Whoops).
DB: That's just a scam.
Me: According to Jello. That's according to Jello. I don't…
DB: Of course.
Me: RAWG aside, are there any bands you'd like to see cover your material?
DB: Yeah. (Thinking) Uh. Uhm. N'Sync would be cool. Doing some GWAR, that'd be awesome. Fucking Christina Aguilera or J. Lo. J. Lo fucking doing "Time for Death." No, no, J. Lo singing "Sick of You" to Ben Affeleck. There you go. Hell yeah.
Me: That'd be a show. I've seen you listed as a Canadian citizen and a dual citizen. Where the hell are you from, exactly?
DB: I'm from Canada.
Me: And what makes you want to live in America?
DB: My parents brought me here.
Me: Oh, okay (Wow, I got some witty retorts going on, don't I?).
DB: No, I like the living here. I love it here, this is America. I grew up here, so where else you gonna go?
DB: No, I mean, like this is the best place to work and live in the world, as far as I can see so far. You know, we could all run away and live in paradise if we had enough money. But we don't, so we're stuck here. So we're gonna make the best of it. (He's been "Americanized.")
Me: All right. Is the yelling at the end of "Krak Down" a continuation of the fight at the end of "Pussy Planet?"
DB: No, because "Krak Down" is on an album before "Pussy Planet."
Me: (confused) Oh, sorry, I have that backwards…
DB: No it's not.
Me: Wait, no, you're con…"Krak Down"…the yelling at the end of "Krak Down," is that a continuation on the fight that's at the end of "Pussy Planet?"
DB: No, I really can't even remember what that is. We recorded that so long ago, and I never listen to my own albums.
MD: It was two different producers, so he was yelling at different people. Actually, it happens every time we record, Dave starts screaming at the producer.
Me: I dubbed a tape for some friend and it had those two songs next to each other, and he thought they linked up, the arguments at the end, so I was curious (Great, I've gone from witty retorts to complete irrelevance). What was your reaction to having GWAR overdubbed by Ministry music in Hardware?
DB: Oh, that was retarded. But it was kinda funny. I mean, we didn't know what the hell was going on. They tell us we're in a movie, and we're like "Oh, cool." Then they show us the movie. We're watching the movie, and like there's our picture, but instead of our music, it's Ministry. So, we're like, "Uh, this is cool, but…uh…I guess this is not cool, or something. Did we get any money for this?" The answer was no, so it was like, "Oh, well at least Lemmy is in the movie." This guy knows his shit. He's asking some deep shit here.
Me: Well, I didn't want to ask you anything that you'd been asked before, which meant I had to read a LOT of your prior interviews.
DB: Uh oh. Uh oh.
Me: Oderus is funny in person or in audio, but in paper it just translate as well to me, so it…
DB: It depends on the writer.
Me: Yeah. How much of "Great News" is true?
DB: Every word.
DB: No, the stuff about being cripple.
Me: Except for being cripple?
DB: No, no one was named Blowtard, either. And actually it was just kind of an elaboration on just the dumping ritual in general. So, I don't know…28%.
Me: Exact number? It just seemed like when you introduce it live that there was some…
DB: It was definitely based on a girlfriend who dumped me, and then was like going out with this other dude the next day. It was on an answering machine, you know? I elaborated beyond that. Being a midget cripple or something. I don't know.
Me: What prompted the surge of anti-Catholicism in Ragnarök?
DB: Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, well, was there? Well, the whole theme of that record was our struggle against religion. The enemy was Cardinal Syn.
Me: Right. (Good thing I was there to keep things moving along…)
DB: He was kind of an intergalactic black pope. You know, evil, intergalactic clansman, I think he is described as quite often. So he was representative of the church gone wrong in a very ordained and violent manner. So, you know, it seemed appropriate that the song "Martydumb" would be a part of that. (To one of the girls) Man, he's skewering me left and right.
Me: I could ask something goofy.
DB: No, no, I like these questions.
Me: Is your annoyance in "The Chinese Have No Cheese" related to your belief, expressed in "G-O-D Spells God," that we live in a world of cheese, so cheese should therefore be everywhere?
DB: God, you hit it on the head!
DB: Here he is on my first…
MD: The whole cheese theme going back to what, 85? 84?
One of the girls in the room: I was born in 85.
MD: Wow, I'm not even that familiar with "G-O-D."
DB: (To girl) I recorded that song before you were born. That's awesome.
One of the girls in the room: You did?
DB: No, I'm just kidding.
MD: We like cheese.
DB: I don't know what the cheese relationship thing is, but I think what we're trying to do is like underline the differences between different people and erase them at the same time.
MD: Show how they're insurmountable. There should be a war over cheese.
Me: The Fromage War.
MD: To force all people to eat cheese.
Me: There probably was at some point. You displayed a lot of knowledge about ice-skating in a Metal Rules #5.
DB: (To one of the girls) I do smoke some…what?
Me: You displayed a lot of knowledge about ice-skating in a Metal Rules #5. What's your interest in the sport?
DB: Ice-skating? I don't know shit about it.
Me: They ask you a question about ice-skating, and you throw out like three or four recent statistics in ice-skating events.
DB: That was just a phase I was going through.
Me: It was just a phase?
DB: I threw away my skates and went on to, what is that sport, where you like brush the ice with a broom?
DB: Yeah, I went on to curling.
MD: Mastered curling.
DB: Maybe it was curling. I don't know shit about ice-skating, how did I ever come up with that one? I think it's 'cause my mom used to like ice-skating a lot. Man, you're stumping me. You're stumping me!
MD: Are you talking about figure skating or speed skating?
Me: I think it was figure skating, but I'm not sure on that.
MD: You haven't done all your research.
Me: Well, I did enough that I actually read the thing, but I didn't actually think about it once I wrote down the question. Tell me about the Duke.
DB: The Duke is the mascot of DBX, and he's a two-dimensional, black velvet painting, and we got him at a roadside gambling hut. We were trying to like win him for hours in North Carolina, but finally we realized we could buy him for $10, so we just did that. But there's have been a lot of legends that have sprung up around the Duke and where he came from. Derks, what are some of those legends?
MD: Dave's uncle in Canada, since he's Canadian, lived up in the Northern Provinces up near Alaska, and he wanted to win this famous dog sledding race up there. And he was out in the lead and he was so far ahead of everybody, he actually got lost. Took a wrong turn. A blizzard came through; they got stuck up in the snow. And the Duke was his favorite dog. They wouldn't let him on the dog sled team because he wasn't a husky, he's a bull terrier. And so they'd left the Duke at home, and the race was over and his uncle hadn't shown back up. And so the Duke like broke free from the house and ran off into the wilderness, found the dog sled team buried in 10 feet of snow. Dug him out and he painted that picture to celebrate the Duke.
DB: Total lie.
Me: But it sounds good. What's the hardest part to writing in the Oderus persona?
DB: Nothing, it's not hard at all. It's easy. It's like you just pretend you're like a blood mad god, lost on Earth, addicted to crack, addicted to the taste of human blood, and go from there. (To one of the girls) I'm starting to get hairs growing out of my ear. Serious. If you pull it out, it makes 'em grow back bigger. Haven't you noticed that with nose hairs? I'm not picking my nose, I'm shoving my nose hairs back in my nose. They're out of control. They're like dreadlocks growing out of these things…All right, all right, what were we doing next?
Me: God What A Racket. Gay Women Against Rape.
DB: There is no….
Me: A Drunken yell at a Death Piggy rehearsal. Will we ever learn the true origin of the GWAR name?
DB: The word GWAR, actually, a lot of people don't know…
One of the girls in the room: GWAR is not an acronym?
DB: No. GWAR was not even called GWAR for the first several performances, it was called GGRWWRIAAAGLHAGGR!! and we would write the name on fliers "G-G-R-R-W-W-R-G-I-A-A-R-R-G-L-H-A-G-G-R exclamation point exclamation point." And finally when people actually came to the shows and enjoyed it, we had to shorten it a little 'cause we'll never get this anywhere if the name of the band is GGRWWRRAAAGHLGR!! so we just shortened it to GWAR. It never had any meaning, there was no anacronym to it, is that correct, Derks? No, not anacronym. Acronym. There was no acronym to it, and it was just always very delightful to hear all these people like Great White Aryan Race and Gay Women Against Rape and God What an Awful Racket or what was…Gay Weird Anal Reprobates was always my favorite.
Me: What was the biggest backlash you faced for standing by your artistic statements after 9/11?
DB: None what so ever.
Me: You didn't have any?
DB: No one gave me any shit ever. We were like doing the most in poor taste jokes about that in New York two weeks after….
Me: Yeah, on the live record (DBX-Live From Ground Zero).
DB: You've heard it yourself. No one gave us any shit about it. In fact, they expect that from us. If we didn't do that, we'd get shit about it.
MD: My mom was really upset. She was afraid that someone would shoot us.
DB: Was your mom really upset, Mike?
MD: She was. She was scared for us that we're out there saying what wasn't politically correct at the time, so…
Me: She thought you'd get Larry Flynted?
Me: (to Derks) Okay, I got a question for you, that's not on here, how come BalSac went from having a bear trap on his face to having a bear trap for a face?
MD: Uhhhh. I don't really see the…
DB: Yeah, that's never really been established exactly what was going on with BalSac's face. What you're referring to…
Me: I had a friend who kept asking me that constantly.
MD: I guess on Hell-O you can actually see…
Me: You can see your face through the…
DB: Right, right.
MD: And then, actually, I joined actually after Hell-O and I didn't want anybody to see my face, so I would start wearing black make-up every tour …It was more about the mask. It's always been all about the costumes and not people.
DB: Yeah, we always thought that BalSac had a scrotum for a face, with eyes and his face actually where his scrotum should be, but Mike never liked that idea.
Me: Gotta redevelop the character as you see fit.
DB: I always wanted there to be a BalSac unmasking in a GWAR tape. You know, I always thought that was like a Phantom of the Opera kind of thing. But not like Darth Vadar, 'cause that was a let down. When they took off Darth Vadar's mask, he didn't really look all fucked up.
Me: Not in the head.
DB: He looked okay, you know. It's like, "Darth, take off the mask. You look okay. C'mon, walk out, go to a bar, go to a movie, get a girlfriend. Cut it out with the fucking mask and the heavy breathing. You're all right."
MD: Yeah, I had this idea once for a comic book that BalSac was originally the most attractive of all the scumdogs, and then somehow he was horribly maimed so he put on the mask so no one could ever actually see his face again. But I think underneath it he's just got like a pimple on his nose. But that was a stupid idea, so we didn't use it.
Me: All right. Song #3 on Diarrhea of a Madman is "You Want to Suck My Dick." Song #3 on Songs for the Wrong is "Should the Ugly Girl Blow Me?" What is the link between the #3 and oral sex?
DB: I always think it should be done in threes.
Me: Was that preplanned or is that just a…
DB: No, absolutely not preplanned. Once again, you've found a pattern in my work.
MD: This band is ruled by numerology.
DB: Michael is secretly planning all this shit out. I see now that I'm just a pawn. He's the one that insisted that it be #3 on both records.
Me: The fucker!
DB: Michael, what are you doing to me?
Me: What would be worse, a misunderstanding fan or a misunderstanding opponent to your work? Like a fan that…
DB: Well, there's thousands of misunderstanding fans and as far as I know, we don't really have any opponents, so…
Me: Except the ones you created yourself?
DB: To answer your question, I'm just going to throw my hands up in the air and like have bees explode from them and like "Bzzzzzzzz" all around the air above my head.
Me: Okay. (He didn't, though) How long do you think it will take for the affirmative action campaign to pick up and run with your proposed slogan?
DB: As soon as the Mexican-American border melts.
Me: No, the "Old people and retards need some cock too."
DB: Oh, that used to be the Feels on Wheels program. Ex-convicts fucking old people in their homes because they don't get enough sex. But too many grannies ended up getting strangled, so we had to like stop that. So now what is it? Yeah, now it's the Convicts for Fucking Retarded People program. This guy's killing me with these questions. He like knows every…the minutia of our fucking…things I've forgotten about.
One of the girls in the room: All that's on the Internet, right?
Me: No, some of it I had in magazines, but I had to go back through all of it 'cause I was like, "I don't want to ask something that's already been asked."
DB: Man, I don't want to let you down with a bunch of stupid answers, either.
Me: No, that'd be the best.
DB: Okay, then let's keep going.
Me: What was the infamous "Cat Shit Show" for Death Piggy? What's that?
DB: Wow, I'm really blown away. Okay, we were playing. It was Death Piggy a long time ago, a lot of weird ass people were coming to our shows. A lot of college people were coming to our shows. For a week straight we saved all the cat shit in our cat litter box and then we made a piñata full of cat shit…
MD: And candy.
DB: And candy and money. And at the end of the set we held it out over the audience with a stick, and threw a baseball bat at the audience. And a big dumbass jock smashed it and the shit and the candy and the money went everywhere and the people just dived into it. Soon as they heard the money.
MD: 'Cause they saw candy and they saw money.
DB: They dived into and started tearing that shit apart. And then like five seconds later this horrible smell of cat shit and excrement just started going everywhere. I remember looking in the audience and seeing a guy just unwrapping a piece of candy and putting it in his mouth and starting to chew it, and his friend was like (makes warning gesture and noise) and it was horrible. And after the show I was sweeping up, the club owner was so mad at us he made us clean it up. This guy came up to me and he was like "Man…you put shit in that, man. That was fucked up." And I just looked at him with this broom and like a thing full of shit and I was like, "Yes, it was fucked up. And what are you going to do about it?" He's like "That was fucked up" and just walked out the door. That was the best thing I'd ever done up to that point. How the fuck did you know about that?
Me: In the Death Piggy CD it's got a flyer and it says "From the infamous cat shit show" and I was like, "Well, what the hell's the 'infamous cat shit show?'"
DB: Yeah, that was it. People hated us, they never would book Death Piggy. We did fucked up shit like that all the time.
Me: Slymenstra said she regretted the inclusion of "BDF" on This Toilet Earth, because of the resulting release issues. Did the decision to keep the song cause much turmoil in the band?
DB: No, not at first. It seemed like everyone agreed, then like three years later people would use it as reason to not like back certain ideas. "Well, if we just hadn't put that song on the album, we'd be on Warner Brothers right now." As usual, it's a case of hindsight being 20/20. At the time, everyone was like "Hell yeah! Let's stick with the song. Let's be fucking true to ourselves, and let's not take the song off the album." Couple years later, people bitch about it left and right.
Me: Yeah, I thought it was interesting 'cause she was saying that, and then you were saying that Brian Slagel, I think it was…
DB: Slagel was totally into it.
Me: He was like, "Yeah, you can keep it on there."
DB: Slagel might be a big fat rolly-polly, but he had balls as far as that was concerned. He didn't care about his Warner Brothers distribution deal. He knows that Warner Brothers isn't going to distribute Metal Blade any better than Caroline or Relativity or any of those other guys. In fact, even worse, because they're Warner Brothers and they're not going to be much of a priority to them. So he didn't give a fuck. And he wasn't making an artistic stand for us, or anything, it was a business offer. And he was ready for new distribution, anyway. Plus, he knew the Goo Goo Dolls were about to sue him, you know? He wanted to fight back in anyway he could, and what happened was all Metal Blade and us went one way and Warner Brothers grabbed the Goo Goo Dolls and went another way. They got incredibly successful and well, we do our thing.
Me: Will Yams on Wheels ever reform?
DB: No, I don't even talk to those people anymore. Yams on Wheels. That was really a band. We had a song called "Cheese Soufflé."
Me: The cheese theme again.
DB: Always about cheese. I was in a band called Cheese World. You don't know that, do you?
Me: I might've at one point, but not now, no.
DB: Cheese World was good.
Me: Was it?
DB: Only played one time.
MD: What about milk, too?
DB: There's another dairy project. In fact, GWAR was born in a dairy.
Me: And you lived in a milk bottle?
DB: The milk bottle factory.
Me: Yeah. Yeah.
MD: It's all about dairy.
DB: And I love chocolate milk and I love eggs and cheese.
Me: Was living in a milk bottle like in Sweet Home? Have you ever seen that?
DB: No, I lived inside a gigantic porcelain milk bottle. There was an old dairy in Richmond, VA and on the corners of the building were gigantic, white, porcelain milk bottles. And I lived in one. They were awesome. They were like five stories tall.
Me: In Sweet Home they play on King Kong and have this big black guy take a white girl up into a giant milk bottle like that (Mr. Relevance strikes again).
DB: Yeah, we used to do that all the time.
Me: All right, here's an easy one, hopefully.
DB: I'm glad.
Me: What are you saying the first time 'round in the chorus of "Jack the World?" 'Cause…
DB: "Pay to play every fucking day" or something like that?
Me: You feel something melt away…and then what's it say…
DB & MD: "You feel your brain cells melt away."
Me: What's it say after that?
DB & MD: "The appalling calling why don't you go away"
Me: The first time you say that, too? 'Cause it's never sounded like that to me.
DB: Well, maybe I fucked up. I don't know. That wasn't an easy one!
Me: Well, you know…yeah (clever, clever…)
DB: Totally wasn't. I can't even remember. I don't' sit around and listen to my own music. I haven't listened to that song in eight years.
Me: All right, well, when you listen to it, can you write to me?
DB: I'll write to you, okay? I'll yell it out the window, "Hey, Devon!" "The appealing feeling" it might be. "The appalling calling." It might be "the appealing feeling."
Me: Yeah, that sounds closer. Yeah, I've always wondered that.
DB: I think I did say "the appealing feeling" the first time. There we go, okay.
Me: Mystery solved.
DB: How many more of these are there?
Me: But the last one really definitely is easy.
DB: Okay. Okay, I'm ready.
Me: What was with the censored version of This Toilet Earth that was the same, it was missing "B.D.F.", but it didn't have any of the lyrics?
DB: There was like five different versions of that album. There was the one with like no art. There was the one with no lyrics. There was the one that had censor bars. There was the one that had "B.D.F." on the record, but not in the lyrics. There was the one that didn't have "B.D.F." on there at all. There was like five different fucking versions as people tried to censor that album over and over again. It might be the most censored, in different ways, album ever.
Me: Is there any way to tell them apart? I had two different copies, and it was…
DB: Well, you have two of them. There's probably several more.
Me: I couldn't tell them apart. I was like, "This sucks."
DB: You couldn't tell any difference?
Me: They both had the parental advisory sticker. The one didn't have "B.D.F."
MD: From the outside you can't tell. You have to buy it.
DB: Oh, yeah, you gotta look inside. Most of the censorship went on inside.
Me: Yeah, so you have to buy it and then you're "Ehhhh."
DB: There's no way to tell outside from the covers.
Me: Okay, this one's the easy one. Anything else that you would like to add?
MD: That's the hardest one yet.
DB: You get a fucking extra star in your crown in Heaven for being such a deciduous and devoted connoisseur of the minutia of our career, and I applaud you for it, my friend.
Me: Lots or research.
DB: Well, yeah, and you got my number as well, if there's any more questions you want ask, like if you start writing stuff and want more fabrication, more detail, feel free to call me, okay?
Me: Or if I say, "Hey, I lost the whole thing, we gotta do it again."
DB: Yeah, I didn't know this interview was gonna be so cool, so I'm a little blown away by it, but it's totally awesome.
Thanks to Dave Brockie and Michael Derks for putting up with my shit, to Chris for giving me to opportunity to harass them, and to the background noisemakers in the room for making the transcription process more interesting.
Photos from the show are available here