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Some Comments on Hellraiser and Jason X

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 5:09 pm
by chemical boy
Ok so I took your guys advice and bought the original Hellraiser, and I must say I was some what disappointed, here I am waiting to see Pinhead and the others...and I get uncle Frank the corpse and his little slut still a classic is a classic and I am trying to base my collection primarily on the classics. It was very 80's basic special effects and bad lighting, which of course is made up for by Pinhead in all his glory! Still could someone please tell me which film in the seires explains how Pinhead got created? It's driving me crazy! I gotta know I just have to! HELP ME!

Moving on, Jason X...Of course I am happy to see Jason doing what he does best KILLING! blood, guts, and senseless gore, can't go wrong. Also his new up grades were just plain awsome! Still Jason as he originally appears will always stand out to me, and incidentally what is it with these people look if they can bring a lady back to life after being forzen for 400 years then why can't they heal a decapitated victim I don't get it just dosen't seem right furthermore how can Jason X come before Freddy V.S. Jason that would mean they went back several years the timeline dosen't add up. Excuse me for being anal but lets keep things in order here. Unless I am wrong and Freddy V.S. Jason came first...help me out here.
Althought a films not a film without that one flaw you can pick at all day lol!
Anyways,
Keep it bloody:headshot:
C.B.

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 5:18 pm
by Chris Slack
Hellraiser 2 is a better film overall and gives a bit of insight into the origin of Pinhead.

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 7:06 pm
by Remo D
Agreed--HELLBOUND: HELLRAISER II should give you everything you're looking for.

As for continuity in Jason, Michael or Freddy films? Ain't gonna happen. Ain't gonna happen with Godzilla, and don't get me started on James Bond (okay, GET me started on James Bond. All the way up through A VIEW TO A KILL, it's conceivable that this could have been the SAME MAN throughout the series--given the age of the leads--but once Timothy Dalton came in, you're expected to believe that everybody but Bond actually AGES. Gonna let that kill the Bond series for you, though? Didn't think so. Just have fun.)

But yeah--horror series just LOVE to wipe the slate clean and start over.

JAWS: THE REVENGE ("We feel like there was the first film... and then there was OUR film.")

HALLOWEEN H20 ("4, 5 and 6 are like urban legends--they didn't really happen.")

NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET 2 (quite a "Huh?" between 1 and 3, eh?)

JASON GOES TO HELL ("We're pretending that the eighth one never happened.") Leading to JASON X ("We're pretending that JASON GOES TO HELL never happened.") And then FREDDY VS. JASON. ("Well, the eight one STILL never happened, and neither did JASON X. But JASON GOES TO HELL really did happen, after all.")

Feel free to untangle.

Totally...

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:31 pm
by ZXRO
There was decent continuity in the Jason flicks up until 7. The first 4 tell a cohesive story that ends with Jason getting killed by Tommy. The 5th one was a stumble that didn't even have Jason in it (kinda like Halloween Season of the Witch). And then in the 5th one, that crazy dumbass Tommy resurrects Jason. From there on out, Jason is superhuman and the story is just reruns. Woo.

Not that you guys didn't already know that.

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:29 pm
by MuC
i really enjoyed it when jason freezes the chicks face...and then smashes it...:dsmoke:

and the two girls gettin beaten to death in their sleeping bags was pretty good too...heh...

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:32 am
by gsfnw
I could give a fuck less about continuity of storylines in horror movies. I mean, fuck it. Seeing Jason do the sleeping bag killing properly in Jason X (the kill was also used in Part 7, but he only swung the bitch once) was worth it to me.

The storyline for Jason X was actually pitched to Mustapha Akkaad for Halloween 4, but thankfully he turned it down.

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:53 am
by I am 138
Remo D wrote:JASON GOES TO HELL ("We're pretending that the eighth one never happened.") Leading to JASON X ("We're pretending that JASON GOES TO HELL never happened.") And then FREDDY VS. JASON. ("Well, the eight one STILL never happened, and neither did JASON X. But JASON GOES TO HELL really did happen, after all.")


I always thought Jason X DID happen in the timeline, just after the events in F v J. So, that was like a prequel that explained how Jason got out of hell.

I don't mind the Abbot and Costello approach to resurrection, as long as it's VERY apparent that's what's going on. (IE, all the monsters in A & C Meet Frankenstein had been killed off and had explanations for coming back prior, but for that film, they all just came back for no reason.)

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 7:32 am
by Remo D
I am 138 wrote:I always thought Jason X DID happen in the timeline, just after the events in F v J. So, that was like a prequel that explained how Jason got out of hell.

I don't mind the Abbot and Costello approach to resurrection, as long as it's VERY apparent that's what's going on. (IE, all the monsters in A & C Meet Frankenstein had been killed off and had explanations for coming back prior, but for that film, they all just came back for no reason.)


Oh, man--you've got to dig up Jeff Rovin's novel THE RETURN OF THE WOLFMAN (or was it RETURN OF FRANKENSTEIN?). That's a print sequel to the entire Universal horror series that manages to include even A&C MEET FRANKENSTEIN in the continuity timeline and accounts for EVERYTHING... Great fun.

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:21 pm
by chemical boy
ok I'll get more in depth latter but I gotta run so
Let me just say I agree a kill's a kill when it comes to Jason, and thanks much for the info on both Halloween and Hellraiser
I am still gonna watch Jason Goes to Hell though what can I say gotta see em all or I am not satisfide.
"sometimes death is better"
Pet Semitary
Keep it Bloody
C.B.