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The Passion Of The Christ thread...

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Hey, I posted this on my own board, but it fits here too:

So anyone seen this yet? I saw it last night and its still in my head, just figured I'd post about it...Yea it is a long winded post, sorry...

I was raised Catholic. Today I do not consider myself anything, I claim no religion. There are some things about the bible I believe and some I don't and there are many things about the Catholic church I despise. And as far as Christianity on a whole, born again's and "Jesus Freaks" creep me out. But I have no problem with Christians that do not push their ideals on me, claim that I am going to hell, or treat me as inferior... So I don't follow anything other than my instinct or my heart. Organized religion of any kind just isn't for me. That being said it was still difficult just to watch this as a "movie" without letting my upbringing interfere with my thoughts on the film.

But as a "Movie" it was fucking amazing. It was fucking beautifully shot, the cinematography was breath taking, every inch of celluloid was like a renaissance painting. It was just amazing to look at. And the atmosphere through out the film was incredibly tense. The entire film had this dreadful feeling to it and I don't have the writing skills to even begin to do it justice. Satan in the film is used so very effectively, the character really gives you the chills. It’s very subtle but very effective. The film does have a strong "super natural" tone. Demons, Satan, and all sorts of shit. Jesus seems "otherworldly" his eyes have a strange glow throughout the film, I assume to symbolize that he is not an ordinary man... There is also a lot of other symbolism that I could spend hours talking about, most of it will probably be lost to someone that isn't familiar with the Bible. But so much care and hard work went into this epic. Every inch of this film was so well planned out. I was in utter amazement by what I was seeing...

And yes the movie is as violent as everyone is saying, for the most part it is 2 hours of torture on the screen. It is hard to believe the film got an R. Any other film with these levels of violence would have an NC-17 for sure... It’s not only violent and gory but it is sadistic as hell. Its rough, a real rough ride. It’s so tragic and sad. But again the violence in the film is just as beautifully shot as the rest of the film. Mel Gibson uses the blood as paint for his canvas. I don't want to give anything away but there is a shot at the end of the film that could have been a scene out of Shogun Assassin...
There has never been anything like this, ever, and there never will be again. This is fucking it folks.

Filming it in the original languages of that time really added to the film. If it were in English it wouldn't have worked. It gave the film a sense of realism. Idiots that bitch and complain about subtitles make me fucking sick. Some asshole behind me in the theatre kept saying shit like: "Ah man, I gotta read this!" "Movies that you gotta read suck". I wish this prick would have kept his ass at home. Open your fucking minds a little people, fuck! I hate ignorant fucks like this.

Is it Anti-Semitic? NO. In order for the film to be anti-Semitic it would have to say that all Jewish people are evil pieces of shit. But I guess that everyone has forgotten that Jesus was Jewish, all of his disciples were Jewis, his mother was Jewish. The film has plenty of sympathetic Jewish characters, not all Jewish portrayed in the film are evil. But the simple fact is that the Pharisees wanted Jesus DEAD because he threatens their leadership, shit on their teachings, and in their eyes was Blasphemous. They wanted him dead and they had the Romas kill him. This is the way the story goes. It’s the way it is in the Bible and the film was based on the stories. The Pharisees are no more "evil" in the film then they are in the Gospels. So if the movie is anti-Semitic then so is the bible. Look, Jewish followers don't agree with the New Testament so why would they agree with the film? And why does anybody give a fuck? "Shut your fucking holes"...

The media is all over the story that Mel Gibson's father is an Anti-Semite. So my question is, what the fuck does that have to do with the movie? Mel Gibson's father doesn't have shit to do with this movie! Mel Gibson is his own person and he shouldn't have to answer for what his father has said. It really pisses me off that some Jewish people are talking shit before having seen the film and using the director's father as proof that the film is anti-Semitic... FUCKING BULLSHIT. I have a friend and his Father killed his mother. So does this mean my friend can't get married and have a normal relationship? Is he destined to kill his wife as well just because his father was a murder? Fuck no, he is his own person. People need to get the fuck off of this, its wrong...

So did the movie make me want to go to Church? No. Did it make me think. Yes I'm still thinking about it. Did it make me want to kill some J-E-W-S. No. And what exactly is this movie? Some will say it’s a religious propaganda film. Some will say it’s an art film. Some will say it’s a gore movie. And some will say it’s enlightening. In my opinion its a little of all these things. But what was cool was that it wasn't one of those lame cheesy bible movies that you have seen before. Fuck that tame shit. The Bible is a violent book and its about time someone made a film based on the bible that reflects that. This is brutal and tragic. Go see it.
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I don't have the writing skills to even begin to do it justice.



For someone who says he doesn't have the writing skills you did just fine in getting you're thoughts accross. I'm trying to see this film, but it's been totally sold out for all shows in two theatres near me.
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Post by shawn »

Well thank you, but I have so much in my head to say I just can't seem to put it in words.

And I hear ya on the sold out thing... I had to get tickets on line a few days in advance to see it. Its sold out until Sunday here. This thing is going to make a lot of dough.
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I've been tossing this one around, trying to decide if I want to see it for a while. The hype over the movie and the inevitable controversy that comes with any religious movie sort of killed my buzz about it. This is the first review that I've read that lays it out without dwelling on the public perception that it's either anti-semitic or propaganda.

I'm not at all christian or jewish and I don't have much interest in a movie based on the Gospels and given the subject matter, being drawn to the violence is inappropriate, but the photography looks fucking amazing and the various period languages is a novel and genuine way to tell the story.

The look and feel of what I've seen is very impressive. It makes me wonder if between this and Braveheart that Mel Gibson is a directing talent that has yet to be properly utilized. He's got a great directoral vision.

Maybe I'll catch it on video when it comes out.

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Latte, do yourself a favor and see it on the big screen. Don't wait for DVD man, it needs to be experienced on the big screen. Trust me. And Mel Gibson is no hack, he will win best director next Oscar's guaranteed, the film is brilliant. See it on the screen, its a must.
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I'm gonna try to catch a matinee on Wednesday.
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Man, people are such dumb cunts, go check this out:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/03/01/ ... index.html
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read the article.....hmm.....looks like more stupid bullshit
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Originally posted by shawn
Man, people are such dumb cunts, go check this out:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/03/01/ ... index.html
That's really fucking ironic.
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Pretty good flick, if a bit long. I wanted to yell out "Jesus Fucking Christ!!" when they broke out the flails. Maybe I'll have to go again just to do that. It got a bit difficult to eat my popcorn after I came down with a case of Stigmata, though.
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Even though I'm basically an antichristian (at least the preachy types of christians) sort of person I found the film to be pretty damned emotional and very hard to watch at times, despite being a seriously jaded motherfucker. Unlike movies like "Cannibal Holocaust" I could derive no joy from the brutality depicted in POTC, it just seemed so real. I'll definitely be picking this up when it comes out on DVD, Mel Gibson has made a movie that rates very high as far as films depicting man's inhumanity to man go. Very strong stuff!
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this movie is intense and fucking brutal...thats about all i can really say about it...



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THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST is an intensely moving experience, regardless of one's religious affiliation (or lack thereof).

Okay--let's get the anti-Semitism thing out of the way right now. Mel Gibson is a devout Catholic, and even though a lot of recent scholars have suggested that the authors of the Gospels re-wrote certain events in order to take the onus off of the Romans (to protect their own hides, perhaps), no devout Catholic is going to make a life-of-Christ film that flagrantly contradicts what the Bible set down.

Besides--I could have sworn that the teachings of Jesus had something to do with loving and forgiving ALL men--not just one's friends? Those who hate the **** (or anyone else) in the name of Christ contradict the very teachings of their supposed mentor and Savior.

As for the effect of the film itself? I understand that the Resurrection is intended to supply a sense of release after two hours of concentrated brutality--but thirty seconds at the very end of the film aren't likely to dispel the feelings built up by that point.

But does the film offer anything more significant than gore and brutality? I say it does. THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST concerns itself with what Jesus endured (whether or not we believe in his divinity)--and we do NOT see a man dragged off, tortured and killed against his will. We see a man who knows full well what his mission is and forces himself to go through with it. He stands up to his tormentors, and while he might believe that he has the power to end it at any time he likes (characters as diverse as Mary and Satan certainly believe he can do that--Mary would simply like to see an end to her son's suffering, while Satan would love to see Jesus abandon his mission), he refuses to do so. He knows that what he has to do is profoundly important--and, of course, all followers of Christianity believe that what he did certainly WAS profoundly important.

Funny, isn't it, how people got up in arms over THE LAST TEMPTATION OF CHRIST? One unforgettable picket sign at the theatre at which I saw the film read "*** filmmakers HATE Jesus!" I always thought Martin Scorsese was every bit as Catholic as Mel Gibson--perhaps they meant the studio heads? But THIS film is embraced by Christians--when the only real difference here is that Jesus is never seen ENVISIONING the results of abandoning his purpose on Earth. The temptation remains the same...

In the end, this is, like everyone else has said, one of the most violent, brutal films ever made. But I feel it had much more to offer and was more than worth making.
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Even though I'm basically an antichristian (at least the preachy types of christians) sort of person I found the film to be pretty damned emotional and very hard to watch at times, despite being a seriously jaded motherfucker. Unlike movies like "Cannibal Holocaust" I could derive no joy from the brutality depicted in POTC, it just seemed so real. I'll definitely be picking this up when it comes out on DVD, Mel Gibson has made a movie that rates very high as far as films depicting man's inhumanity to man go. Very strong stuff!



Pretty much my feelings on the film. I'm an agnostic and I found it to be a profoundly moving film. One that remained with me in memory for days afterward, and I'm probably as jaded a horror film aficianado as they come. Extremely few films of the last decade have left such an impression on me. As far as the anti semitism goes, I think the kabalist scholars that first accused Gibson of this later retracted they're statements, after they took a look at the completed film. They're initial outcry was when they managed to get a hold of a rough first draft script. If the Passion is anything it's a powerful indictment of mankind. Not one group. Do yourself a favour and see this one.
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Those who hate the **** (or anyone else) in the name of Christ contradict the very teachings of their supposed mentor and Savior.


May I ask why the common word that refers to those of a well-known Hebrew faith gets deleted from these posts?
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Originally posted by Remo D
May I ask why the common word that refers to those of a well-known Hebrew faith gets deleted from these posts?


This is due to a group of racist fucks some time back who chose to use the word in a very derogatory fashion.
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I finally saw the movie today. Very powerful, and beautifully made.
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