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360 vs. Wii

Post by horhey » Thu Dec 20, 2007 2:03 pm

been thinking lately about getting one of them. never owned an xbox and have usually been about nintendo.

which do you guys think is better and why?
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Post by AchimbaProphet » Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:05 pm

XBOX 360. For variety of games. Power of machine. Availability. XBOX Live.
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Post by Oof » Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:14 pm

Dont listen to them 360 fan boys. PS3 is the way to go. Lets see our checks and balances: 360 = 33% failure rate, PS3 = less than 1%.

As far as the Wii, if you can actually find one, get it!

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Post by Latte Thunder » Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:36 pm

Apples and oranges. The Wii is a fantastic party system since all the games worth playing were developed with groups in mind. With few exceptions, the single player games aren't particularly engaging. Until developers can figure out what to do with the controllers, most of them will be gimmicks.

The 360 is a much more well-rounded machine for the serious gamer. There's a solid library of great titles and many that are exclusive to the console (and Windows Vista, I guess) and excellent online support. The marketplace and the arcade are great! Yes, even after new chipsets and heatsinks the consoles continue to overheat and experience hardware failures but the process of getting a replacement is very easy and quick. I went through it, myself. They sent me a prepaid box to send it in and two weeks later I had an entirely new deck and a month of free Live. I can think of worse things.

As for the PS3, even after a price drop it's an expensive console. The old PS2 draws, the exclusives, have gone multiplatform. So if you absolutely NEED to play Metal Gear, I guess this is a viable option. Other than that, you're wasting your time and money.
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Post by Adremelech » Thu Dec 20, 2007 8:42 pm

Take the Wii controller, turn it pi/2 radians to the left (That's 90 degrees for you dumbasses), and it becomes an old school NES controller. You can download and play the whole back catalog (not all are available yet) of NES, SNES, N64 and Sega Genesis games. It will play Gamecube games too, but you need the CD.

Oh yeah, the Wii games are FUN to play too! Who cares if the graphics are inferior to the Xbox360 or PS3? Better graphics ≠ Better games.










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Post by Vocaltremors » Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:04 pm

Oof wrote:Dont listen to them 360 fan boys. PS3 is the way to go. Lets see our checks and balances: 360 = 33% failure rate, PS3 = less than 1%.

As far as the Wii, if you can actually find one, get it!

Gotta agree with the Oofster here... go PS3 and get a refurbished one on Ebay.....I can hook you up with the Ebay store that I won mine on... all the 360 fan boys fail to tell you that the 360 only comes with a regular DVD player whereas the PS3 comes standard with the Bluray, which is slowly becoming the Hi Def standard. Also, the fan boys fail to inform you that once you buy the soon to be extinct HD DVD player add on, you basically paid the same amount for a PS3. The failure rate issue is old news, but it still is a good thing to keep in mind.
PS: Another thing I forgot about is that the PS3 uses standard notebook drives, so you can upgrade as you need and you can buy it much cheaper and/or more storage than the proprietary drives that MS uses.

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Post by Oof » Fri Dec 21, 2007 10:48 am

My new love for the PS3:

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Post by Chris Slack » Fri Dec 21, 2007 12:24 pm

The question was Wii VS 360, the PC3 wasn't a part of the equation. Latte summed it up very well as far as I am concerned. I will eventually end up with a PS3 but as of right now there isn't a must-have exclusive that warrants the purchase.

Additionally I would be willing to put money on the new Metal Gear Solid game coming out on the 360 within 6 months of the PS3 release.
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Post by Vocaltremors » Fri Dec 21, 2007 6:40 pm

Chris Slack wrote:The question was Wii VS 360, the PC3 wasn't a part of the equation. Latte summed it up very well as far as I am concerned. I will eventually end up with a PS3 but as of right now there isn't a must-have exclusive that warrants the purchase.

Additionally I would be willing to put money on the new Metal Gear Solid game coming out on the 360 within 6 months of the PS3 release.
I guess you wouldn't know about must have games because I've played Uncharted: Drake's Fortune and that is a MUST HAVE exclusive for the PS3. I've yet to see a bad review on this game and I LOVE IT. IGN gave the game a 9.1 rating, and Gamespot gave it an 8.

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Post by 4G » Fri Dec 21, 2007 7:31 pm

Vocaltremors wrote:I guess you wouldn't know about must have games because I've played Uncharted: Drake's Fortune and that is a MUST HAVE exclusive for the PS3. I've yet to see a bad review on this game and I LOVE IT. IGN gave the game a 9.1 rating, and Gamespot gave it an 8.
I rememeber you talking about backwards compat, is it true the new PS3 is not backwards compat at all?
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Post by Chris Slack » Fri Dec 21, 2007 7:53 pm

4G wrote:I rememeber you talking about backwards compat, is it true the new PS3 is not backwards compat at all?
Yes, the $399 sku has no backwards compatibility.
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Post by Vocaltremors » Fri Dec 21, 2007 9:50 pm

Chris Slack wrote:Yes, the $399 sku has no backwards compatibility.
That is correct, the 399 version (aka 40 gig version) is not backwards compatible, but do you really buy the new next gen console to play your old gen games on it??? It also doesn't have as many of the USB media ports that the 60 or 80 gig versions have (they have 2 instead of 4). Again, no big deal.... if you are smart, IMHO, buy a 60 or 80gig version that is refurbished/remanufactured. They've gone over it with a fine tooth comb before they resell it. Trust me on that one...I got my 60 gig PS3 on ebay that way and paid $415 with s&h. That's what you'll pay for the brand new 40 gig once you figure the tax in with it. Here's a link to the ebay store I bought mine from...http://search.stores.ebay.com/Worlds-Be ... sbestdeals Also, see how many refurbished 360's they have on there...if that doesn't give you a clue about the failure rate.... it's plainly obvious.

Oh, by the way Bill-Bots..... why have the majority of developers started to switch to the PS3 developers kits from the 360 kits..... I know why... let's see if you do...

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Post by Chris Slack » Sat Dec 22, 2007 10:09 am

Vocaltremors wrote:That is correct, the 399 version (aka 40 gig version) is not backwards compatible, but do you really buy the new next gen console to play your old gen games on it???
Vocaltremors wrote:I know this question has been asked before, but since I'm ready to make a purchase, I wanna get some opinions. Here's my take....I already have an extensive PS1 and PS2 collection, and I know the PS3 is almost fully backwards compatible. My Xbox collection is quite large as well, but hardly, if any, of my games will run on the 360.
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Post by Chris Slack » Sat Dec 22, 2007 10:18 am

Vocaltremors wrote: Oh, by the way Bill-Bots..... why have the majority of developers started to switch to the PS3 developers kits from the 360 kits..... I know why... let's see if you do...
Call me a "Bill-Bot" because I love the 360, Xbox Live and the large number of awesome games I have to play on it. Keep in mind, however, that I own pretty much every cartridge/disc based consoles system since the dawn of time with the exception of the PS3 as it does not have enough killer exclusives for me to justify the price point. I also don't have a 1080p TV yet so the high definition DVD war doesn't really concern me at this time. DVDs still look awesome played back on my up converting DVD player on my 46" 720p TV :)

I have also worked in the PC/console gaming industry for close to a decade now and as such know a lot of people who develop games for multiple platforms so I am not talking out my ass with the following information. The reason developers have started to switch to the PC3 as the lead development platform is as follows:

Games are harder to code for the PS3. If a company wants to do a multiplatform game with a simultaneous release date across all platforms they need to start development on the PS3 platform or they simply will not be able to make the simultaneous release date.
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Post by Vocaltremors » Sat Dec 22, 2007 3:30 pm

Chris Slack wrote:Just being a smartass, please forgive me :)
No forgiveness needed Chris, as I was not offended. However, I didn't buy the PS3 to play my PS1 & PS2 games on it, as I find that it is a bonus reason on why I would purchase a PS3 over the 360. My biggest factor is the reliability of the 360 system, then secondly is the additional cost of having to buy a HD DVD player, if I want to play HD movies. My second issue that developers are going to have it storage issues with the 360, since they run games on DVD format. Unisoft had BIG issues getting all the info on the 360 version for Assasin's Creed since they were limited on how much they could put on the DVD. Even if they move to the HD DVD format, they still may have storage issues, as the Bluray disk can hold more info that an HD DVD disk (15 gigs vs 25, and DL HD DVD holds 30 vs DL Bluray holds a whopping 50 gigs). With that said, the only option a 360 holder has is to buy the HD DVD player to play games or MS has to start using multiple dics to upload info to the hard drive, with of course takes up additional space on the drive. Neither option really seems that great to me as a potential customer, especially knowing that I have to buy a proprietary drive from MS if I need to increase my hard drive, of which the largest is only 120 gigs.

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Post by Chris Slack » Sat Dec 22, 2007 4:57 pm

HD-DVD capacity is now up to 55 gigs :)
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Post by Vocaltremors » Sat Dec 22, 2007 11:18 pm

Chris Slack wrote:HD-DVD capacity is now up to 55 gigs :)
Ok, this comes straight out of Wikipedia... "A 51 GB triple-layer spec has been approved, however no movies are currently scheduled for this disc type."
With that, then if they triple layered a Bluray, you're looking at a disc in the 70-75 gig range, but as far as I can see, there are no plans to do so..
Correction: Looks like they are looking at increasing the storage size for Bluray...Hitachi is doing a quad layer disk that holds 100 gigs and TDK has produced a disk prototype that can hold up to 200 gig, and there is further work being done by others to increase that by 50 gigs, to total 250.

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Post by 4G » Sun Dec 23, 2007 10:50 am

Vocaltremors wrote:No forgiveness needed Chris, as I was not offended. However, I didn't buy the PS3 to play my PS1 & PS2 games on it
Thats did not stop you from blasting the Xbox for only having 300 backwards compat games.. Sounds like you are making the same argument I did to you before :)

And as Chris stated, I also work in the industry and know for a fact that it is harder to dev to the PS3. If a game is to be multiplatform, developers have to start on the PS3. The Xbox can be easily ported over after. I have had many conversations with Developers I work with on this very subject.

This is no different that the last Gen, though. You dev to the Xbox and the PS2 was an easy port. It is funny how the sides have flip-flopped.
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Post by Vocaltremors » Sun Dec 23, 2007 1:40 pm

4G wrote:Thats did not stop you from blasting the Xbox for only having 300 backwards compat games.. Sounds like you are making the same argument I did to you before :)

And as Chris stated, I also work in the industry and know for a fact that it is harder to dev to the PS3. If a game is to be multiplatform, developers have to start on the PS3. The Xbox can be easily ported over after. I have had many conversations with Developers I work with on this very subject.

This is no different that the last Gen, though. You dev to the Xbox and the PS2 was an easy port. It is funny how the sides have flip-flopped.
That argument was before Sony decided to remove the "emotion engine" in the 40 gig, which kills backwards compatibility. I can understand why they did it, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with it. As a 60 gig PS3 owner, I like having the backwards compatibility, but it isn't a deal breaker. The whole backwards compatibility thing started with the PS2, and it seemed as gamers, we have almost expected that with every new system. The main issue that I have is the failure rate of the 360. I don't wanna pay good $$$ for a system and take the chance that it's going to be one of the 33% of them that crap out. Also, I like the fact that with a PS3, I'm good to go right out of the box, and I don't have to buy an additional HD DVD drive to play HD movies or once they stop producing games that fit on a single DVD. Also, I hate the proprietary HD system that MS has.....it's either none, 20 gig or 120 gig...that's it... With the PS3, the sky is the limit because all I have to do is buy a larger notebook drive and that's it. I don't have to worry about voiding my warranty at all.


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